{"id":5335,"date":"2021-08-23T07:30:05","date_gmt":"2021-08-23T05:30:05","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?p=5335"},"modified":"2021-08-23T09:05:48","modified_gmt":"2021-08-23T07:05:48","slug":"battery-for-my-sons-bike-2-generations","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?p=5335","title":{"rendered":"Battery for my sons bike, 2 generations"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>So, of course when I ride an awesome ebike the kids want one too. First of all I had to build one for my wife but that&#8217;s just a standard bike with a hailong pack. This is what I was riding at the moment:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5336\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5336\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5336\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200820_121125.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"589\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Generation 1, 2020<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>But since my son was a wee bit short (10 years old) the bike we got for him could not fit any standard battery, so this was actually the very first totally custom battery I built.<\/p>\n<p>Started out by making a dummy frame just to see how many cells we could fit in his frame and to get an idea of the shape of it:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5337\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5337\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5337\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200729_232421.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Made cell frames and fit K-power 2500mAh 12,5A cells in there.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5340\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5340\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-5340\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200805_170217.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"269\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Installed the second frame and welded it all together.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5343\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5343\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5343\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200805_172000.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"276\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5342\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5342\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5342\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200805_180100.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"589\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>As you can see this is a 13s5p pack yielding a whopping 48V with 12,5Ah and a total power output of 62,5A. This is by far enough for a small 10yo child. Only once did he ever run out of juice with this battery and that was after a 40km+ ride starting out with a half full pack.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5344\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5344\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5344\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200805_215806.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"589\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Kapton tape to insulate the pack and then it was just a matter of mounting the BMS and putting it all on the bike.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5345\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5345\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5345\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200804_103414-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"589\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5346\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5346\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-5346\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/IMG_20200804_103419-1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"269\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Printed the case on glass, that&#8217;s why the sides of the box is so reflective. That didn&#8217;t last for long with the abuse the kid put this bike through though. \ud83d\ude09<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5348\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5348\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5348\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210205_190529.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>Generation 2, 2021<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Skip forward one year. A couple of crashes later he has grown quite a bit taller and now enjoys following me on the harder offroad and downhill trails. Never complaining I can see how he suffers from the stiff rear end of the green Merida bike and having bent both the rear rim and the front fork quite badly I thought it was time for an upgrade.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5347\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5347\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5347\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210413_192914.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>I found a used Giant Glory 8 in small size for cheap, just some 350km away, so I made a roadtrip and picked it up. This frame looked like a perfect fit for an electrical conversion!<\/p>\n<p>After some careful measuring (and a lot of not so careful grinding on the frame to fit the BBS02 motor) the normal process started.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5349\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5349\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5349\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210420_153631.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Cell frame with cells. This was actually the first time I tried the frame-joiner-frame pack type due to a total lack of space in the frame. This time we wanted more speed so we decided to go with a 14s4p pack to get a 52v battery. The problem using only 4 cells is the low capacity of the pack so this time we built it on LG MJ1 cells with a 3500mAh capacity and 10A continuous power output yielding a 52v pack with 14Ah capacity capable of 40A output. This is more than enough for the BBS02 and even after upgrading to the BBSHD (after messing up a controller) the battery doesn&#8217;t even sweat power wise.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5350\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5350\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5350\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210420_153645.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>The joiner is installed over the frame with cells. Take note on the cell configuration. I&#8217;m trying, even though it&#8217;s sometimes hard, to get as good a serial connection as possible throughout the entire pack. For a 40A pack like this I want to get at least 4 or 5 serial connections with my 0.2 x 8mm nickel strips which means I often have to put several layers of nickel on top of eachother.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5351\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5351\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5351\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210420_183952.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a> <a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5352\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5352\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-5352\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210420_184310.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"584\" height=\"438\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Other side cell frame put in place. It&#8217;s such a tight fit that I sometimes have to put the pack on the floor and use my weight to evenly push the frame onto the cells.<br \/>\nWelding and adding insulating kapton tape on the side of the battery before turining it around to weld the other side. I take real good care not to accidentally short the pack out. Shorting it out is REAL unpleasant and bad for the cells too..<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5356\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5356\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5356\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210421_100616.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>After insulating the pack more with tape which I like to put between the cells and any leads running over it, I add the BMS to the side of the pack and then close it all up.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5357\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5357\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5357\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210421_100737.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?attachment_id=5354\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-5354\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-5354\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/08\/20210421_173738.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1280\" height=\"960\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>He did not want any logo on the side of the battery so this is how it turned out. Works flawlessly but 14Ah is a bit on the low side with the type of riding we do now so for next summer we&#8217;ll revisit this bike and somehow fit an even larger pack on there.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>So, of course when I ride an awesome ebike the kids want one too. First of all I had to build one for my wife but that&#8217;s just a standard bike with a hailong pack. This is what I was &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/?p=5335\">Forts\u00e4tt l\u00e4sa <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":5350,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[86],"tags":[88,87],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5335"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=5335"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5335\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5359,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5335\/revisions\/5359"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/5350"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=5335"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=5335"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runstenracing.se\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=5335"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}